Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 11 Sep 2012 09:55

This is a work-in-progress. I will only make one BBG, which I update when new components hit the market, or when components reach their EOL, and need to be replaced (for better or worse).
If you're planning on assembling a gaming rig, just contact me with your wishes & budget and I might make some adjustments.

Changelog (so you can easily keep track of updates):
  • 17-10-2012: After reading up a lot on current RAM, I decided to swap out Corsair in favour of Kingston, since it seems to be (slightly) less prone to failures for the same price.
  • 18-01-2013: The Samsung 830 series is no longer widely available, due to their newer siblings, the 840 and 840 pro series, hitting the market. Alternatives have been added in case you cannot find the 830.
  • 15-02-2013: Overhaul of the budget series, reverting back to the good ol' Phenom II X4.

If you cannot find a certain part at your own local retailer, just ask me for an alternative.

BUDGET (~€600)

Probably the toughest for me to build, since you have to sacrifice performance on pretty much every level in order to stay within the budget. Don't expect wonders, but it'll be able to run games without exploding :mrgreen: I originally aimed for €500, but that asked for too much compromising.

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition (€90): Old, but still solid. It'll give you enough CPU power for your games, without breaking the bank.

ASRock 970 Extreme4 (€85):Asrock has stepped up from his original Asus' spin-off status and is now a well-respected board manufacturer with solid price/performance. This board offers all the goodies (SATA600, USB3, ...) for a reasonable price.

Club3D Radeon HD 7870 jokerCard (€215): The backbone of your gaming system, this HD7870 offers the best performance in it's price point. Faster than the GTX660 for roughly the same cost, it's a bit of a no-brainer. The new Tahiti LE chip in this card, also speeds past the original 7870's.

Kingston ValueRAM KVR1333D3S8N9K2/4G (€20): 4GB dual channel DDR3-1333 should be enough to get this system going.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST1000DM003 (€75): 1TB of storage should be enough to install all your games, and keep your best screenshots.

Corsair Builder CX500 V2 (€50): A decent PSU from a good company. 500W is enough to keep everything running smoothly.

DVD drive (€15): Normal stuff, don't spend too much money on this.

Computer case (€50): A matter of personal taste, so I won't simply put a model here. For €50 you should be able to get a good, basic case. Example: Antec 100.

TOTAL: €600


MAINSTREAM (~€900)

With roughly €300 more to spend, the plan's easy: we will spend more money on key performance parts (mainly the GPU and the mobo/CPU combo), as well as introduce an SSD to speed the whole thing up significantly in your day-to-day use.

Intel Core i5 3570K (€200): The best CPU for any gamer right now. Since you're reading a best-buy guide, chances are slim you'll be overclocking anything. But the non-unlocked version (without the "K" in the name) is only €10 cheaper, so we go with the real deal anyway.

Asrock Z75 Pro3 (€80): The Z75 allows overclocking, which is needed to be able to get full use out of our K-type CPU (if you ever feel like trying). The board provides the needed modern standards like USB3 and SATA600, without extra bells and whistles to inflate the price.

Gigabyte Radeon HD7950 WindForce 3 (€290): The HD7950 offers the best performance in it's price point. Still faster than it's newer Nvidia counterpart, the GTX660ti, for roughly the same cost, it's once again a no-brainer. The Gigabyte version offers a solid card with a good, quiet custom cooling solution. If you cannot get the Gigabyte, the Club3D Radeon HD 7950 royalKing is also a good option.

Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX (€35): 8GB dual channel DDR3-1600, which is plenty for anything you want to play today, and tomorrow. Good & cheap, so we can spend more pennies on more important stuff.

Samsung 830 series 128GB (€90): Still one of the best price/performance SSD's around, but sadly enough availability is starting to be a problem. If you really cannot find one, either the Samsung 840 Pro 120 GB (make sure you get the Pro version, the regular version performs extremely bad) or the Corsair Neutron GTX 120 GB are solid options too.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST1000DM003 (€75): 1TB of storage should be enough to keep your best screenshots, your music, and your porn folder. Yes, we know, you don't have a porn folder, no one has a porn folder, but hypothetically, if you had one, it would fit ;) ...

XFX PRO 550W (€55): A decent PSU from a good company. 550W is enough to provide all those fancy components with enough juice to chew on your games for hours on end.

DVD drive (€15): Normal stuff, don't spend too much money on this.

Computer case (€60): A matter of personal taste, so I won't simply put a model here. For €60 you should be able to get a good, basic case. Example: Antec 302.

TOTAL: €900

Right on budget! However, if you want to try overclocking, or you simply want your precious CPU to run a bit cooler without sounding like a vacuum cleaner with asthma, you might want to go for the extra-part-that-wasn't-included-because-it-didn't-fit-the-budget:

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or GELID Solutions Rev2 Tranquillo (€30): Both solid after market coolers, for roughly the same price. They will give better cooling at lower noise levels than the stock coolers. You won't be able to squeeze the last Mhz out of your CPU, but that's most likely not your cup of tea anyway.

HIGH-END (~€1250)

With extra budget, comes extra awesomeness. The purpose of this build is quite obvious: deliver all the shinies! Which means a high-end CPU, coupled with a high-end GPU, and all other bells and whistles for one hell of a desktop PC.

Intel Core i5 3570K (€200): As already mentioned in the "mainstream" build, this is the best CPU for any gamer right now. Good overclockable, so you'll be able to make your high-end system even more high-end.

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H (€125): Asrock makes room for Gigabyte in the high-end system. This board has a good featureset, with ample room for extra cards, without breaking the bank. Good bang for your buck.

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or GELID Solutions Rev2 Tranquillo (€30): A small, easy to install after-market cooler will make sure you can keep on gaming without frying your CPU. Can easily handle even moderate overclocks. For the real hardcore overclocking, you'll need a better (larger & more expensive) cooler.

Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX (€40): Low profile, in case you ever want to install one of those enormous CPU-coolers. The slightly fancier cousin to the set used in the "mainstream" system. Because it works.

Gigabyte GV-N670OC-2GD (€380): Nvidia priced their own GTX680 out of the market with their GTX670. The overclocked versions, sold by most big manufacturers, perform (almost) equal to the GTX680 while costing €100 less.

Samsung 830 series 256GB (€165): Same series as the "mainstream" build, but double the capacity. Because a high-end system should be able to store more games ;) When availability is an issue, the Samsung 840 Pro 256GB or the OCZ Vector 256GB can be used as alternatives.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001, 3TB (€130): Because your HDD can never be big enough.

XFX Pro 650W (€80): Slightly overdimensioned, to leave headroom for overclocking, or a possible SLI-style upgrade down the road. This PSU will be able to handle dual GTX670, with an overclocked CPU.

DVD drive (€15): Normal stuff, don't spend too much money on this.

Computer case (€85): Still up to personal taste, but I usually prefer one that also keeps the noise made by my system in check. So a bigger bugdet to get a quiet case. Recommendation: Fractal Design Define R3.

TOTAL: €1250

Do note, that the hardware market is a fast-evolving one. The best choice today might be second-best tomorrow. So keep your eyes peeled for updates, and check the date when this guide was last edited.
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

Post » 11 Sep 2012 14:32

Lovely work, good job :D!
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

Post » 11 Sep 2012 17:05

It's a budget i can live with, hoping for a nice xmas bonus.

Can you give some advice on how this will run GW2 on either medium/semi-high settings? And how it does with 'current'-gen shooters like bf3, max payne 3 etc.

My current system (ehm... q6600, ddr2 4gb, and ati 4850) can pretty much not run the shooters i just mentioned (tried bf3 demo and max 3 retail), by which i mean it runs around 20/25/30fps until heavy rendering is required and drops below 20 (ie visible stuttering). GW2 runs on lowlowmid (i mean mostly low, some mid settings) decently in 40fps on a clean area, drops to an uncomfortable 20 when there's battles going on, and any large battle (like boss fights, or wvwvw) is pretty much a disaster dropping to 5-6fps.
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

Post » 11 Sep 2012 17:51

On which screen resolution do you play games?

On 1920x1200, the HD7850 will run BF3 on Ultra with min 30 fps, on average 45-50 fps.
I don't have any experience with that CPU, but I don't think it'll bottleneck the GPU.

All in all, it'll be a major improvement over your current setup.
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

Post » 11 Sep 2012 22:56

I play at normal HD resolution, so i think 1920x1080?

That sounds promising, as that would probably mean it can handle gw2 easily on mid or midmidhigh :).
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

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Mainstream build added.
High-end will follow soon ...
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

Post » 02 Oct 2012 18:42

Just wanted to say great job on this guide, particularly on explaining why you've made those particular component choices. Double thumbs up from me!
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Re: [Best-buy guide] Fall 2012

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I finally managed to write up the high-end system. Enjoy the guide ;)
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 18 Jan 2013 07:32

Since not so much is changing in the quiet PC hardware lands (blame the economy), I will continue to update this thread, instead of simply copying everything to a new thread :P
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 18 Jan 2013 07:37

Nice job. Recent savings are looking promising to be able to aim for the 600 version, or something based on it in the near future ^^.
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

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I'm planning on updating the 600 version soon, so don't buy anything just yet ;)
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

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noobonsteroid wrote:I'm planning on updating the 600 version soon, so don't buy anything just yet ;)

Prolly won't be until spring, hehehe. When the tax refund, holliday moneys, AND my return from energybills hit me I most likely have money spare (for the first time :P).
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 21 Mar 2013 00:14

So, it looks like I might be able in april to buy a new pc up to 600e (plus a fee to have it build at the shop).

Is there any advice i can be given? Since we both speak dutch I'm gonna throw this link in there as i feel it's usually a good guidance, but the shop i will be buying either hasn't got everything or turns out more expensive in total. I chose the belowmentioned two shops because they are close enough to drive, and i prefer to be able to bring stuff back to a person instead of sending it, eventhough by having it build there it should be relatively save for DOA hardware. It's also because I cant buy a pc myself :P.

The tweakers guide: ("taking the basis game systeem" as a guide) http://tweakers.net/reviews/2963/3/desk ... steem.html
Shop possibility 1: http://www.informatique.nl/ (preferred, i have good experiences here)
shop possibility 2: http://www.alternate.nl/html/index.html


600 euro for the pc is a firm and absolute max. I don't expect to be playing BF3 on ultra sonic. I can still play my games on mid to low 1920x1080 on my aprox 4year old q6600/ati 4850 (or 4750 dunno) rig, to show how easy i am with games :P.
My goals basically are: play gw2 on a better GFX setting than lowlowmid. Playing Farcry3 on better then all-low. In the end I also like it to be able to play new gen games like Bioshock 3 or Watchdogs, but if that's gonna be on a medium-ish setting i don't mind.
I don't use a 64bit OS, (w7 32bit), so if going for 4gb ddr instead of 8ddr is enough I'm easily settling for that.
What i be needing is:
case (something midtowered, like 'Antec 1' i think it is, psu, cpu, mobo, memory, gfxcard, and a single >=500gb hddrive. (am i forgetting something?)
What i got: 2 HDDs (one sata, one ide... i know), dvdburner, mouse, tobo, screen, speakers, windows (well... sorta...it's from sweden...cough cough)

Well, that's basically it :D. Lots of rules etc, but the fact that my game choices combined with my not to severe gfx expectations should be doable. I might be able to buy it through my dads company effectively lowering the price by 21% (tax return), but lets not base the system on that at start. I rather pay 600e and get 20% back then pay more and settle on 600e after tax refund.


PS; going from someone else who had some advice on a new system i came up with this (at Informatique):

CASE: Antec One - 59e
PSU: XFX Core 550watt - 59e
MOBO: Asrock FM2a75 pro4 - 78e
CPU: Athlon II x4 641 - 63e
HDD: Seagate Barracude 500gb - 53e
MEM: Kingston HX Genesis 2x2gb ddr3 1600mhz - 30e
GFX: Sapphire HD7850 1024ddr - 182e

Total: 569e
Without assembly. I'm especially uncertain about which GFX card to pick and wether to go i5 or X4 (though amd is about 1/3rd the price).
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 21 Mar 2013 10:03

I know the BBG from Tweakers, I usually go through the entire thing when it gets posted.

First off, I'd like to start with saying that your "32-bit windows 7 license key" is actually just a "windows 7 license key", which can also be used for 64-bit. So you can just install a 64-bit version on your new rig and use the same key (I strongly advice it). If you bought an OEM-version, you only have one DVD (32-bit I guess). So either try to get a 64-bit DVD somewhere, or just download it. The key will work, it's all legal and stuff, it's not piracy.

I have no real experience with that Athlon CPU. Specwise, it's a bargain for that price. But there are no actual gaming benchmarks to be found. Purely on Synthetic benchmarks, it's similar to an AMD FX-4100, which puts ~30FPS for GW2 on high.
For a budget system, AMD really is a no-brainer. An i5, or even an i3, would simply eat too much of your budget. The Athlon is cheaper, and less power hungry than the good ol' Phenom II. The Piledriver architecture does mean it's not a "real" quadcore but it's better to compare it to a dualcore with hyper threading.
It's good for your wallet at purchase, and afterwards. I'd say go for it. The specs look good, the synthetic benchmarks raise no alarm bells, you should be fine.

My favourite webshop is a Dutch one: http://www.4allshop.nl (since hardware is so much cheaper at your side of the border :P). I have excellent experience with 4AllShop (their customer service took care of PostNL's major screwup of losing €1000 worth of hardware, and they simply sent me a 2nd one within a day of PostNL finally admitting they had no idea where my packet was. Very friendly, helpful people). Sadly enough, your preferred webshop doesn't sell the Athlon X4 740, so I went with your second store-option:

4AllShop
Asrock FM2A75 Pro4-M FM2 4x DDR3 5x SATA-600 € 59,95
AMD AthlonII X4 740 3.2Ghz FM2 Box € 64,95
XFX PRO 550W € 53,45
Kingston KHX1600C9AD3B1K24G 4GB PC3-12800 (DDR3-1600) ( Kit Of 2 ) € 27,45
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" SATA-600 € 59,95
Antec One Midi-Tower 2x USB 3.0 Zwart € 51,95
Club 3D HD7870 XT JokerCard 2GB GDDR5 PCI-e 3.x 16x € 212,95
Assemblage van uw pc door 4AllShop € 50,95
Totaalprijs: €581,60
Verzendkosten: €1,95
Totaal: € 583,55

Alternate
1 x AMD Athlon II X4 740 € 68,90*
1 x ASRock FM2A75 PRO4-M € 59,90*
1 x XFX PRO550W Core Edition € 57,90*
1 x Kingston HyperX 4 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 38,49*
1 x Western Digital WD10EZEX € 59,90*
1 x Antec ONE € 49,99*
1 x Club 3D Radeon HD 7870XT jokerCard € 209,90*
1 x Diverse === Assemblagekosten === € 55,-*
Totaalprijs
€ 599,98*
Verzendkosten: €9,95
Totaal: €609,93

As you can see, both builds land on (or just over, thank you shipping costs) your budget, including assembly. (but honestly, if you know a tech-savy guy, give him €20 to assemble the entire thing).
Now what's different from your list?
  • HDD is 1TB. Honestly the price difference between 500GB and 1TB is so small, it's stupid not to go for 1TB. I selected 2 similar disks, whichever was cheaper at the webshop. Both are normal 7200rpm sata-600 disks.
  • GFX card is the card I put in my BBG. The 7870 XT Joker will easily outperform the 7850, and then some. At roughly €30 extra it's a steal for a 20% to 25% performance boost.

All in all, I didn't change much, but in my opinion those 2 changes are well worth it.

Some final thoughts:
The CPU will bottleneck the GPU a bit in GW2, and other CPU-heavy games. But that should not be a reason to not take the GPU. The reason for the bottleneck is that GW2 needs parallel CPU power, and Piledriver simply cannot deliver the same performance as 4 actual independent cores. It'll still run fine, no worries, you'll most likely get 30+ FPS with med/high settings. There's always going to be "a bottleneck", might as well make it the least expensive component.
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Re: Best-buy guide for gaming rigs

Post » 21 Mar 2013 11:55

Thanks for all the advice. Problem with 64bit is that i never managed to install it. Always got a reading error during install, with two or three seperate disks. (and what i meant with getting it from sweden -> piratebay :P). However, new system, i can try anyhow, won't cost me anything but a little time.

600e sounds perfect. I might consider going for your suggest webshop, as 20e is a a nice saving, but then again; on a budget of 600e I might as well go for the one closeby. The thing is I can pick it up so no shipping costs :) Also I'm changing the case to the CM K280, as that's 10e cheaper and suggested in all those buy guides.
Unfortunately I don't really know anyone closeby that I know can build a pc. But i'll have a look around.

About the CPU bottleneck; i assume with a system like this I will be able to upgrade the CPU at one point, say in 2 years? Or is AMD not the kind of company that easily sticks to it's sockets?

Thanks a lot. I'll go put it together and hope in the coming month I am indeed able to buy it (and not have wasted your time :P ).
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